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Ana Enriquez: /* Attila’s queen Ospirin advises her husband to ensure Walther’s loyalty by arranging a marriage (123–141) */

2009-12-15T20:08:44Z

‎Attila’s queen Ospirin advises her husband to ensure Walther’s loyalty by arranging a marriage (123–141)

Ana Enriquez: /* Attila’s queen Ospirin advises her husband to ensure Walther’s loyalty by arranging a marriage (123–141) */

2009-12-15T05:08:37Z

‎Attila’s queen Ospirin advises her husband to ensure Walther’s loyalty by arranging a marriage (123–141)

Jan Ziolkowski at 02:20, 15 December 2009

2009-12-15T02:20:28Z

Michelle De Groot: /* Attila’s queen Ospirin advises her husband to ensure Walther’s loyalty by arranging a marriage (123–141) */

2009-12-15T01:47:32Z

‎Attila’s queen Ospirin advises her husband to ensure Walther’s loyalty by arranging a marriage (123–141)

Jan Ziolkowski at 00:15, 15 December 2009

2009-12-15T00:15:15Z

Jan Ziolkowski at 00:14, 15 December 2009

2009-12-15T00:14:17Z

Ana Enriquez: /* Attila’s queen Ospirin advises her husband to ensure Walther’s loyalty by arranging a marriage (123–141) */

2009-12-12T01:44:31Z

‎Attila’s queen Ospirin advises her husband to ensure Walther’s loyalty by arranging a marriage (123–141)

Ana Enriquez: /* Attila’s queen Ospirin advises her husband to ensure Walther’s loyalty by arranging a marriage (123–141) */

2009-12-12T01:39:25Z

‎Attila’s queen Ospirin advises her husband to ensure Walther’s loyalty by arranging a marriage (123–141)

Ana Enriquez: /* Attila’s queen Ospirin advises her husband to ensure Walther’s loyalty by arranging a marriage (123–141) */

2009-12-12T01:31:18Z

‎Attila’s queen Ospirin advises her husband to ensure Walther’s loyalty by arranging a marriage (123–141)

Ana Enriquez: /* Attila’s queen Ospirin advises her husband to ensure Walther’s loyalty by arranging a marriage (123–141) */

2009-12-12T01:30:53Z

‎Attila’s queen Ospirin advises her husband to ensure Walther’s loyalty by arranging a marriage (123–141)

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-|{{Comment|"Satrapa" has a decidedly negative and foreign connotation in the Vulgate Bible, where it refers to leaders of the Philistines (Judges, I Kings), leaders appointed by Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel), and leaders following the evil Haman (Esther).  The banquet (described in [[Waltharius287|lines 287-321]]) [SPECIFY THE CLOSING LINE NO. JZ] that Walther throws for the Huns recalls the banquet that Esther gives for Assuerus and Haman in the Book of Esther.  Although Lewis and Short gives a technical and specific definition for "satrapa" (“a governor of a province, a viceroy among the Persians”), it is likely that the Waltharius poet uses it in a more general sense, perhaps because of the poetic limitations.  Using the word here implicitly compares the Huns to the foreign enemies of the Bible, emphasizing their strangeness. [AE]
+|{{Comment|"Satrapa" has a decidedly negative and foreign connotation in the Vulgate Bible, where it refers to leaders of the Philistines (Judges, I Kings), leaders appointed by Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel), and leaders following the evil Haman (Esther).  The banquet (described in [[Waltharius287|lines 287-321]]) that Walther throws for the Huns recalls the banquet that Esther gives for Assuerus and Haman in the Book of Esther.  Although Lewis and Short gives a technical and specific definition for "satrapa" (“a governor of a province, a viceroy among the Persians”), it is likely that the Waltharius poet uses it in a more general sense, perhaps because of the poetic limitations.  Using the word here implicitly compares the Huns to the foreign enemies of the Bible, emphasizing their strangeness. [AE]
 "Satrapis" here refers to Attila's vassals, not to Attila himself (as in line [[Waltharius34|43]]).  Attila invites Walther to choose a bride from the satraps of Pannonia, not meaning that Walther should marry one of the vassals, but his bride should come from the vassal class.  Kratz's translation here is fairly loose, but captures the meaning well. [AE]}}
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-|{{Comment|"Satrapa" has a decidedly negative and foreign connotation in the Vulgate Bible, where it refers to leaders of the Philistines (Judges, I Kings), leaders appointed by Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel), and leaders following the evil Haman (Esther).  The banquet (described in [[Waltharius287|line 287 and following]]) [SPECIFY THE CLOSING LINE NO. JZ] that Walther throws for the Huns recalls the banquet that Esther gives for Assuerus and Haman in the Book of Esther.  Although Lewis and Short gives a technical and specific definition for "satrapa" (“a governor of a province, a viceroy among the Persians”), it is likely that the Waltharius poet uses it in a more general sense, perhaps because of the poetic limitations.  Using the word here implicitly compares the Huns to the foreign enemies of the Bible, emphasizing their strangeness. [AE]
+|{{Comment|"Satrapa" has a decidedly negative and foreign connotation in the Vulgate Bible, where it refers to leaders of the Philistines (Judges, I Kings), leaders appointed by Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel), and leaders following the evil Haman (Esther).  The banquet (described in [[Waltharius287|lines 287-321]]) [SPECIFY THE CLOSING LINE NO. JZ] that Walther throws for the Huns recalls the banquet that Esther gives for Assuerus and Haman in the Book of Esther.  Although Lewis and Short gives a technical and specific definition for "satrapa" (“a governor of a province, a viceroy among the Persians”), it is likely that the Waltharius poet uses it in a more general sense, perhaps because of the poetic limitations.  Using the word here implicitly compares the Huns to the foreign enemies of the Bible, emphasizing their strangeness. [AE]
 "Satrapis" here refers to Attila's vassals, not to Attila himself (as in line [[Waltharius34|43]]).  Attila invites Walther to choose a bride from the satraps of Pannonia, not meaning that Walther should marry one of the vassals, but his bride should come from the vassal class.  Kratz's translation here is fairly loose, but captures the meaning well. [AE]}}
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-|{{Comment|Although the historian Jordanes writes of Attila’s “innumerabiles uxores” [and even identifies the last as having been Ildiko (which sounds suspiciously similar to Hildegund), Ospirin's name does not appear anywhere outside the Waltharius. [AE]}}
+|{{Comment|Although the historian Jordanes writes of Attila’s “innumerabiles uxores” [and even identifies the last as having been Ildiko (which sounds suspiciously similar to Hildegund)JZ], Ospirin's name does not appear anywhere outside the Waltharius. [AE]}}
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-|{{Comment|Ospirin uses the second-person plural when speaking to her husband in this passage and in line [[Waltharius358|376]].  Walther also uses the second-person plural to speak to Attila (lines [[Waltharius142|146]], [[Waltharius287|306]]), and Hildegund uses it for addressing Walther (line [[Waltharius256|257]]).  This pattern suggests that the poet resorts to this formality either because of Attila’s office or because of the woman-to-man relationship.  The use of the second-person plural to indicate respect for a single person is a feature of Later Latin not found in Classical authors. [AE] It is a feature of later romance languages, however. [MCD]
+|{{Comment|Ospirin uses the second-person plural when speaking to her husband in this passage and in line [[Waltharius358|376]].  Walther also uses the second-person plural to speak to Attila (lines [[Waltharius142|146]], [[Waltharius287|306]]), and Hildegund uses it for addressing Walther (line [[Waltharius256|257]]).  This pattern suggests that the poet resorts to this formality either because of Attila’s office or because of the woman-to-man relationship.  The use of the second-person plural to indicate respect for a single person is a feature of Later Latin not found in Classical authors. [AE] It is a feature of later Romance languages, however. [MCD]
 The figure of Walther as "columna imperii" reappears in line [[Waltharius358|376]] after Walther and Hildegund flee. [AE]}}
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-|{{Comment|Ospirin uses the second-person plural when speaking to her husband in this passage and in line [[Waltharius358|376]].  Walther also uses the second-person plural to speak to Attila (lines [[Waltharius142|146]], [[Waltharius287|306]]), and Hildegund uses it for addressing Walther (line [[Waltharius256|257]]).  This pattern suggests that the poet resorts to this formality either because of Attila’s office or because of the woman-to-man relationship.  The use of the second-person plural to indicate respect for a single person is a feature of Later Latin not found in Classical authors. [AE]
+|{{Comment|Ospirin uses the second-person plural when speaking to her husband in this passage and in line [[Waltharius358|376]].  Walther also uses the second-person plural to speak to Attila (lines [[Waltharius142|146]], [[Waltharius287|306]]), and Hildegund uses it for addressing Walther (line [[Waltharius256|257]]).  This pattern suggests that the poet resorts to this formality either because of Attila’s office or because of the woman-to-man relationship.  The use of the second-person plural to indicate respect for a single person is a feature of Later Latin not found in Classical authors. [AE] It is a feature of later romance languages, however. [MCD]
 The figure of Walther as "columna imperii" reappears in line [[Waltharius358|376]] after Walther and Hildegund flee. [AE]}}
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-|{{Comment|"Satrapa" has a decidedly negative and foreign connotation in the Vulgate Bible, where it refers to leaders of the Philistines (Judges, I Kings), leaders appointed by Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel), and leaders following the evil Haman (Esther).  The banquet (described in [[Waltharius287|line 287 and following]]) that Walther throws for the Huns recalls the banquet that Esther gives for Assuerus and Haman in the Book of Esther.  Although Lewis and Short gives a technical and specific definition for "satrapa" (“a governor of a province, a viceroy among the Persians”), it is likely that the Waltharius poet uses it in a more general sense, perhaps because of the poetic limitations.  Using the word here implicitly compares the Huns to the foreign enemies of the Bible, emphasizing their strangeness. [AE]
+|{{Comment|"Satrapa" has a decidedly negative and foreign connotation in the Vulgate Bible, where it refers to leaders of the Philistines (Judges, I Kings), leaders appointed by Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel), and leaders following the evil Haman (Esther).  The banquet (described in [[Waltharius287|line 287 and following]]) [SPECIFY THE CLOSING LINE NO. JZ] that Walther throws for the Huns recalls the banquet that Esther gives for Assuerus and Haman in the Book of Esther.  Although Lewis and Short gives a technical and specific definition for "satrapa" (“a governor of a province, a viceroy among the Persians”), it is likely that the Waltharius poet uses it in a more general sense, perhaps because of the poetic limitations.  Using the word here implicitly compares the Huns to the foreign enemies of the Bible, emphasizing their strangeness. [AE]
 "Satrapis" here refers to Attila's vassals, not to Attila himself (as in line [[Waltharius34|43]]).  Attila invites Walther to choose a bride from the satraps of Pannonia, not meaning that Walther should marry one of the vassals, but his bride should come from the vassal class.  Kratz's translation here is fairly loose, but captures the meaning well. [AE]}}
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-|{{Comment|Ospirin uses the second person plural when speaking to her husband in this passage, and in line [[Waltharius358|376]].  Walther also uses the second person plural to speak to Attila (lines [[Waltharius142|146]], [[Waltharius287|306]]), and Hildegund uses it for Walther (line [[Waltharius256|257]]).  This suggests that the poet is using this formality either because of Attila’s office or because of the woman-to-man relationship.  The use of the second person plural to indicate respect for a single person is a feature of Later Latin not found in Classical authors. -AE
+|{{Comment|Ospirin uses the second person plural when speaking to her husband in this passage, and in line [[Waltharius358|376]].  Walther also uses the second person plural to speak to Attila (lines [[Waltharius142|146]], [[Waltharius287|306]]), and Hildegund uses it for Walther (line [[Waltharius256|257]]).  This suggests that the poet is using this formality either because of Attila’s office or because of the woman-to-man relationship.  The use of the second person plural to indicate respect for a single person is a feature of Later Latin not found in Classical authors. [AE]
-The figure of Walther as columna imperii reappears in line [[Waltharius358|376]] after Walther and Hildegund flee. -AE}}
+The figure of Walther as columna imperii reappears in line [[Waltharius358|376]] after Walther and Hildegund flee. [AE]}}
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-|{{Comment|Satrap has a decidedly negative and foreign connotation in the Vulgate Bible, where it refers to leaders of the Philistines (Judges, I Kings), leaders appointed by Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel), and leaders following the evil Haman (Esther).  The banquet (described in [[Waltharius287|line 287 and following]]) that Walther throws for the Huns recalls the banquet that Esther gives for Assuerus and Haman in the Book of Esther.  Although Lewis and Short gives a technical and specific definition (“a governor of a province, a viceroy among the Persians”), it is likely that the Waltharius poet uses it in a more general sense, perhaps because of the poetic limitations.  Using the word here implicitly compares the Huns to the foreign enemies of the Bible, emphasizing their strangeness. -AE
+|{{Comment|Satrap has a decidedly negative and foreign connotation in the Vulgate Bible, where it refers to leaders of the Philistines (Judges, I Kings), leaders appointed by Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel), and leaders following the evil Haman (Esther).  The banquet (described in [[Waltharius287|line 287 and following]]) that Walther throws for the Huns recalls the banquet that Esther gives for Assuerus and Haman in the Book of Esther.  Although Lewis and Short gives a technical and specific definition (“a governor of a province, a viceroy among the Persians”), it is likely that the Waltharius poet uses it in a more general sense, perhaps because of the poetic limitations.  Using the word here implicitly compares the Huns to the foreign enemies of the Bible, emphasizing their strangeness. [AE]
-Satrapis here refers to Attila's vassals, not to Attila himself (as in line [[Waltharius34|43]]).  Attila invites Walther to choose a bride from the satraps of Pannonia, not meaning that Walther should marry one of the vassals, but his bride should come from the vassal class.  Kratz's translation here is fairly loose, but captures the meaning well. -AE}}
+Satrapis here refers to Attila's vassals, not to Attila himself (as in line [[Waltharius34|43]]).  Attila invites Walther to choose a bride from the satraps of Pannonia, not meaning that Walther should marry one of the vassals, but his bride should come from the vassal class.  Kratz's translation here is fairly loose, but captures the meaning well. [AE]}}
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-|{{Comment|Property rights, Walther's and Hildegund's, what happened to hostages who were heirs, TO DO. -AE}}
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 |[[Quod]] [[si]] [[completis]], [[illum2|illum]] [[stabilire]] [[potestis]].'

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-|{{Commentary|'''Ospirin''': The queen’s name is not found elsewhere. The Roman historian Jordanes (''Getica'' 49) speaks of Attila’s ''innumerabiles uxores''.
+|{{Commentary|''Ospirin'': The queen’s name is not found elsewhere. The Roman historian Jordanes (''Getica'' 49) speaks of Attila’s ''innumerabiles uxores''.
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-|{{Parallel|''Aeineid'' 2.783: ''illic res laetae regnumque et regia coniunx''. ‘There in store for you are happy days, kingship, and a royal wife.’
+|{{Parallel|''Aeneid'' 2.783: ''illic res laetae regnumque et regia coniunx''. ‘There in store for you are happy days, kingship, and a royal wife.’
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